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Good point Steve. I knew that the banks were the exception because we need the financial sector for everything else to work, but it didn't occur to me that another reason is that the government is the source of money and therefor ultimately responsible for the stability of money and keeping velocity high and constant. Otherwise, every other sector is moot unless we start trading in pigs and cows again.

Can't wait to hear your take on the proposed automotive bailout.

Oh, what do you think about the shift in the TARP plan to buying stocks instead of assets? Also, are you furious that the regulators refuse to give up their power over mark-to-market accounting? Do they really believe it's good for the economy to continue such strict unnecessary rules?

Jim Manzi has a good post on this today too:

http://theamericanscene.com/2008/11/13/bankruptcy-for-gm

If the government buys shares in the banks,(As i believe is the plan now) in essence, owning them and setting policy as shareholders do, does it go beyond merely keeping the integrity of the dollar? Aren't bank services like mortgage and lending part of the "real services" economy? Is that what Paulson has proposed doing?

can you tell me what the difference between Tot.debt
and Pub.debt is on your debt clock.
thanks nick

Yes, total debt includes intragovernmental debt (what the government owes to itself); publicly-held is what the governmetn owes to you, me, and foreigners. See this article:
http://tinyurl.com/2dljs9

I agree with you S.O. that 'socialism' is like the word 'racist' to Libertarians - they use the word so much now to mean any other than pure free market economics that it has become meaningless. (Heck! A good argument for not using the 'F' word in entertainment is that particular word is rather losing its sting nowadays!)

Maybe you can come up with a plausible argument about letting the automakers fend for themselves. I haven't been able to. Let me state, though, that I believe that GM cannot continue to manage their business the way they have and continue as a going concern - bailout or not.

I suspect that most folks will use AIG in their argument for a GM loan. It's an insurance company, has already used up over $100B, yada, yada. Good point.

If GM is to survive it is going to have to get it's cost structure in line and that means streamline it's own bureaucracy and tell the UAW it can no longer provide cradle to grave benefits nor pay the wages it does nor pay people at 90% (or whatever the obnoxious number ) of wage when they are laid off.

However, if the government makes such stipulations (and it should like any majority investor) it will be seen as too much intervention and union busting.

GM will also claim that the government screwed up the financial system and is therefore
culpable in this so they should make things right.

Those are just a few of the arguments I've been playing around with. Again, I know what I'd like to see and what should happen but it won't.

Dear Steve,

I appreciate your efforts. Question: Do you believe that our government has the efficiency to manage what they have created in terms of programs, departments, etc. and how do you view the expected continuing proliferation of our governance? (positive/negative?)

Bob S:

That's several questions; I'll take them one at a time.

First, I think the government is, for the most part, inefficient as hell; with a few important exceptions, almost everything I've ever seen government touch starts running as slowly as molasses (at best), burning money at three times the rate the private sector would tolerate, and doing all that with a holier-than-thou arrogance. That's why the things we ask govt to do should be limited to the five things Adam Smith reminded us a govt is supposed to provide its people (i.e., its reason for existence): defense, justice, education, infrastructure, and a stable currency.

Second, preventing the money side of the economy from collapsing is ultimately the government's responsibility, so I support the financial rescue efforts -- as I hold my nose or grind my teeth watching crooks and idiots get off, because letting them fail would have the undesirable side effect of taking the whole economy down.

Third, preventing bankruptcies in the nonfinancial side of the economy is NOT the government's responsibility, and I oppose corporate+union welfare. I obviously won't get my wish about allowing the Detroit Dinosaurs to go extinct, though. So I'd at least like to see some results criteria inserted at various milestones in the UAW/Little-3 bailout plan, to stop the bleeding if it's not working, but I probably won't get that wish, either; our 536 leaders are more concerned about designing which cars Detroit should be building next year than about holding their Little-3/UAW protectorate accountable for profitability in the face of competition from automakers who know how to manage their companies.

I still think we should just be honest about it, and designate the newly-created federal protectorate around Detroit as a new national park.

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