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JIMB

We get less than nothing. Interest rates are artificially low (the Fed is a price fixer) which causes consumption of capital (low interest rates allow greater use of money, which no longer matches the amount of real capital at market prices). Later in the process, input prices begin rising, signifying the artifical stimulus is over and the pain has begun.

STS

I agree with your main point that interest on debt isn't automatically a "waste". It really just depends on the soundness of the borrowing.

One reason I'm glad USA Today isn't trumpeting the "improvement" in our debt burden, is that the structure of our national debt has changed in the past decade. It has shifted to shorter maturities (eg. phasing out of the 30 year T bond) and has been "subsidized" by some periods of very low (arguably negative) real interest rates.

Uncle Sam right now has the "mother of all option ARMs". If credit markets weren't frozen up in sheer panic, treasury yields would be dramatically higher. Of course the low rates are also hammering the USD which does actually improve our debt situation by devaluing what we owe to some of our international creditors.

I'm not quite agreeing with JIMB only because the Fed as "price fixer" seems pejorative. I tend to think we're better off with that particular form of price fixing. But that's a long, arduous debate ;)

Higgs Boson

A lot of people (myself included) think that the Nimitz carrier and Head Start are a waste of money. Ergo, we get nothing for the debt.

Jarrod Myrick

Higgs Boson,

What evidence do you have that Head Start is a waste of money?

Higgs Boson

My views on Head Start will not fit in a comment box. Besides, I know from experience the futility of trying to change another's belief system, and that was not my intent. I simply remarked on the widely held view that Head Start and most government programs are a waste of money.

Jarrod Myrick

widely held beliefs and commonly held opinions and consensus leave
me hanging. please specify government programs you hate.
just how small can you guys get it? just how stupid have we been since the immaculate conception and philadelphian perfection of
july 4 1776. who was the worst
offender? raygun's watch we became a debtor.


*environmental protection programs

*food, drug, health programs

*business-finance officiating-
refereeing (Gazprom)

*defense of the populace from foreign and domestic foes seems useful (includes criminal justice
system-big prisons for bad guys)

*education of the populace, useful

*federal insurance for the most
vulnerable of the populace, unless
you too shall have them banished
to the woods

*social services for the daily casualties or shall we send the children straight to prison or
the factory?

*nasa

*mail in your door

*transportation infrastructure
constructed and maintained
for the populace

*national treasure preservation:
parks, monuments to our gods,

*unemployment benefits in a complex economy

*take the loan out from a greaser

*bank insurance


Seaneiboy

David Walker, The Comptroller General of the United States future financial crisis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS2fI2p9iVs

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