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The most difficult part of our current tax system is figuring out "taxable income". Once you have that amount, figuring out the tax owed is rather simple.

And let's face it, it will not be politically tenable if people can no longer get their special deduction/credit for their child, for child care, for college expenses, for their mortgage interest, etc. While we would be all better off if these were all eliminated, our special interest society makes it seem unlikely for that to happen as no one will want to give up their favorite deduction. People have a high incentive to advocate for a tax-break that directly favors them and little incentive to actively advocate for deduction that they do not use to be eliminated since the cost of each individual deduction is small for such a person.

Additionally, other complex areas of tax law deal with corporations and partnerships. The way that the basis in assets is determined can be rather complex and detailed. You need to know the basis to determine what the income is once you sell an asset, such as a partnership interest.

For these reasons, I think by far the best tax for the country would be a national sales tax with a flat monthly sales tax rebate. To make it more progressive, you increase the sales tax rate and also increase the flat monthly sales tax rebate.

Just think of how much we could increase growth if we could liberate all that premium human capital to do something productive rather than tax accounting, planning, evasion, and enforcement.

Even more simple than a flat tax is selling bonds. We can collect several percent of GDP with just a computer to run an exchange and calculate interest. All of it collected voluntarily from those who can afford it.

Steve,
This is by far the best post I have seen on the subject of the flat tax. Most proponents of the flat tax want to leave SS as a separate issue. The reason is quite obvious in your effective tax rate graph; the middle class would have a higher tax rate (just what Steve Forbes would love).
About a month ago I posted suggesting eliminating all income taxes (including SS and medicare) and going with a flat (or slightly progressive) labor tax on business. Most responses said it was a dumb idea. But I ask the following question. If an employer paid an employee lets say $80 and the government $20, what's the difference if the employer paid the employee $100 and the employee had to give the government $20? Both cases have the same end result (employer pays out $100, employee gets $80 and govt gets $20). In case 1 the employee gets paid a set amount (hopefully market driven) and cannot complain about taxes because they are not paying any (income tax anyway). In my opinion, who pays the tax (employee vs employer) is arbitrary. Making the employer pay the tax makes it simple without the complaining. Do you see any problems with this idea Steve?

The problem with any income based tax system is that of free-riders. As it is, the bottom 50% of earners pay next to 0 in taxes, therefore, they are very susceptible to the class-envy arguments and have no incentive to support pro-growth legislation - apart from EITC, they cannot benefit any more. They're incentive is to vote for further redistribution of wealth schemes since they have no other financial stake. The "rising tide" argument is lost on them. The goal should be to re-empower this 50% so that they have an economic stake in their revealed preferences (votes).

In the current system, the AMT should be on the bottom 50% who should be required to pay something, and should not be desensitized to the effects of their choices. This is why the "regressivity" of broad-based taxes like those on gasoline and state and local sales taxes are more politically sensitive and change less frequently and by minimal increments.

A completely consumption-based tax scheme would do this as well as incentivize productivity rather than penalize success, eliminate free-riders (for the most part), and retire the dead-weight losses associated with the current tax code. Until everyone has a stake in pro-growth policies, the political dynamic will not change.

Steve,

Your fear is understandable, indeed grounded in what I consider the problems we are facing to be beyond the capacity of our politicians to solve.

And, I suggest, the citizenry is too pampered and simply does not have the will nor the knowledge to tackle what lies ahead.

My predictions:

Unless a dramatic change occurs between now and the presidential election we will have a Democrat in the White House. I'm not sure about the make-up of Congress.

In three years we will have Universal Health coverage.

Corporate and high earner tax rates will increase after 2010.

There will be no meaningful energy plan in the near term (0-6 years).

We will continue to limp along with 2.5% real GDP growth. Somehow.

It's a rather pessimistic outlook, I concede. My premise is that humans, especially large political bodies, do not accept change until
the pain gets too great. We simply have not suffered enough pain. For proof of this hypothesis look back to when Reagan won in a landslide. Inflation was killing us, unemployment was double what it is now, Iran still had our people as hostages..we were in the tank and in pain.

I wish I were as optimistic as you.

Mark - The issue I'd see with the employer paying the tax is in the political reality that certain businesses will find a way to lobby for a tax cut on their business or industry, while the rest will have to foot the bill. Who could really blame them in looking for a competitive advantage? With the tax paid by individuals, it is harder for one group to lobby for an exemption.

Steve - Interesting plan, and a good analysis of the flat tax schemes. I agree that tax reform could be a great stimulus for growth by freeing up those compliance costs for more innovative purposes. I think you pointed out the big flaw with your plan in this comment: "admittedly, we'd have to reconstruct the explanation of FICA taxes paid in versus SS benefits paid out". FDR himself supposedly said: "I guess you’re right on the economics. They are politics all the way through. We put those pay roll contributions there so as to give the contributors a legal, moral, and political right to collect their pensions and their unemployment benefits. With those taxes in there, no damn politician can ever scrap my social security program. Those taxes aren’t a matter of economics, they’re straight politics.” If you removed the contibution limit, it seems to me that SS would become more of a means of income redistribution, not just a guaranteed retirement income, unless you did as you said and modified the contribution versus benefits. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem likely that we'll see a plan that people will get behind. They'll say, "we're giving all the SS benefits to the rich" and vote it down without mentioning that they intend to take a lot more money from those rich people.

I'm really looking forward to these future articles Steve. I've been wondering for a while what exactly the government could do to actively spark growth. I knew it must be able to do something, but I was having trouble coming up with it on my own.

Bob- I'm afraid I agree with your prediction. If Universal Health Care is inevitable then I wish we could come up with the most economically viable way of doing it. I really REALLY don't trust our politicians with my health, any of them. But I can't help but believe there would be a good way to do it. I'm open to it, but it's one area where I lack much optimism. Still, to do anything that drastic, they are going to need 60 votes in the Senate, and I'm always thankful for that.

Mike H.

What I have learned is that if something has a high probability of happening, like single payer health insurance, we may want to focus our energies on how to make it as palatable as possible instead of fighting it. I know that may sound defeatist and I am so against it...but we only have so much energy and time. Lord knows I've fought many a wrong battle in my life.

Back to the idea of simplifying the tax code. Simple and government is a classic oxymoron. Steve, had a very strong view on the last immigration bill. However, it was anything but simple. In fact, it was incredibly complex. Why should the tax code be any different? It's brought to you by the same people.

to Jim:

"FDR himself supposedly said: 'I guess you’re right on the economics. They are politics all the way through...'"

That is a terrific quote; I assume it was an indirect recollection by someone. Do you remember where you read it?

Thanks for posting that.

Steve,

It is a recollection recorded in a memo by Luther Gulick of FDR's words.

www.socialsecurity.gov/history/Gulick.html

Thanks a lot, Jim. That just about says it all.

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